fraught now that it's a really hard job to do and do well and that's what the ambassador was doi doing. >> i assume it's made harder when there seems to be sort of a bifurcation between the president running his own foreign policy through rudy giuliani and the actual established levers of, you know, diplomatic representation in the embassy, which is what the ambassador does. you have an extraordinary careering career going back to 1986 in gdr. have you ever seen in your entire career anything like this operation that was going on in ukraine? >> never. never. but in a way it's sort of mirrors what's going on everywhere in a way this administration conducts its policy and governs, which is to divide. you know, whether it's foreign policy or the way we relate to each other as americans, for