minority because they understood that he was going to testify differently than the other three, which he did. so he gave republicans maybe not so much in the house but later in the senate potential road map for things that they can say about the why they're not ready to say yes on impeaching the president of the united states about moving too fast, other issues not on substance but more about process, and his read of how impeachment should go constitutionally. >> one of the arguments professor turly has mad and we had him on the show for years is that there is not enough evidence. democrats then say there is not enough evidence -- if there is not enough evidence is because the white house has successfully not given over documents and witnesses. >> well that's true. and listen, i thought that the republicans made some gains on arguments about fairness. and they're not being treated fairly. i thought it was a mistake, a symbolic mistake to have three lawyers out there for the democrats and only one lawyer