republican side, by the minority because they understood that he was going to testify differently than the other three, which he did. so he gave republicans maybe not so much in the house but later in the senate a potential roadmap for things they can say about why they're not ready to say yes on impeaching the president of the united states, about moving too fast, about other issues. again, not on substance but more about process and his read of how impeachment should go constitutionally. >> david gergen, one of the arguments that professor turley made and we've had him on the show for years, is that there's not enough evidence. of course the democrats then say, well, there's not enough evidence -- if there's not enough evidence, it's because the white house has successfully not given over documents and witnesses. >> right. well, that's true. listen, i thought that the republicans made some gains on arguments about fairness and they're not being treated fairly. i thought it was a mistake. it's a symbolic mistake to have