that -- that bill barr who, of course, prior, was trump's guy, had said no. had not found such evidence. >> yes. and therefore, trump, i think, really leaned on jeffrey clark to do his bidding. and we now have an attorney general who is saying that we are not going to assert executive privilege. we all can testify and -- and produce documents. huge difference. >> yeah. >> in having an attorney general, who views the -- the -- the ag's office as not just the law firm for the president. >> one sad consequence in the last several years is we have seen the limits of the power of a congressional subpoena, right? that they've been challenged in court, delayed, delayed, defied. >> uh-huh. >> are you concerned that clark, trump, himself, other allies that -- that you want to hear from to -- to complete this investigation will try to fight or ignore subpoenas? how can you enforce 'em? >> oh, i'm sure they -- they'll try to do both, and so we are