visa application process for those afghans who are trying to get out of the country. and the last point i'll make, the u.s. is using word like drawdown and withdrawal and reduction. the afghans see this as evacuation and abandonment, a severe blow to their morale. >> america is leaving. appreciate it. thank you. william cohen served as defense secretary during the clinton administration. does it surprise you that cities around the country have fallen to quickly? do you think kabul itself will fall? >> well, the rapidity at which the provinces have fallen i think only confirms president biden's decision to say that our time there has come to an end. what i would disagree with is