ultimately even though they might know where groups of or individual americans are, how do you get them from where they were not just from taliban checkpoints which for american citizens are reasonably benign but away from this terrorist threat which at the moment means the official ways into the airport are now blocked. and there still are people there. there are still people so desperate that they will ignore afghans -- i mean afghans will be ignoring in large numbers these threats from isis-k because they're already so fearful of the taliban, anderson. >> and what about your journey out of afghanistan? >> well, it was long and hot. i was on an american c17 with 451 other passengers almost all of them afghans or americans being flown here to qatar.