in senator rubio because he's been around for a while. um, i remember hearing a great speech he made at the 2012 republican convention. he's supposed to know better. we need our senior-military leaders to be able to talk to their military counterparts around the world. it's a very important component of u.s. policy. it helps shape nations' understanding of what the -- what's going on in the united states. and it, also, gives us early warning of some of their concerns. there's really nothing better we can get in the way of intelligence and information in those heads of military calls with each other. so it's very, very valuable. now, he shouldn't be doing it just, you know, as a hip-pocket call. nobody knew about it and he didn't. he did it with the full support of the interagency. >> and -- and that's -- i mean, is that routine? >> it is, absolutely, routine. now, it's not routine that you'd have a president of the united states who's so determined to subvert the constitution that -- that everybody around him's