declaration from ukraine and nato that says we're not going to be expansive and when you look at a map of nato as it exists, existed in the 1980s and then with the acceleration post 1999 and 2004, russia is all those former buffer countries, buffer zone russia had with the soviet union they all belong to nato other than belarus and ukraine. that is why he wants to lock up ukraine. ukraine is the second largest country in europe. it is monstrous. he would love to have that under belly, that avenue of approach into russia that every enemy he's had used. he would love to have that as a state listening to him. >> always a pleasure to speak to you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you john. >> next, just days after their accounting firm fired them a judge in new york delivers another blow telling them to start talking under oath in the investigation that could turn the family business inside out. later dr. anthony fauci on why he thinks lifting school mask