they take kyiv and kharkiv in the east, which is the second largest city of 1.5 million people. but occupying those cities, putting in a puppet government, all of that requires a lot of troops, probably even more troops than they have. >> yeah, that's right, anderson. you know, i was a paratrooper of the 82nd airborne division during the invasion of iraq. i remember going into the densely packed cities and it is unbelievable when you have a dense urban area how that soaks up infantry forces. we look at that 200,000 russian troops, that's the full complement of troops. only a fraction are those are infantry that have to go occupy massive cities. and those cities will soak up those troops. and you add on top of that -- as we sit here right now, you have tens of thousands of kyiv residents and residents from cities across ukraine who are