>> yeah. so, defense is always the strongest form of war. has always been. in urban defense, ten times that. they can prepare every street. they can block every street. put guns in every window, hidden, and just make it impossible for the russians to come in without fear. the russians fear urban combat and that's why they are going to bomb it, unfortunately, a lot because all soldiers don't want urban warfare. so the inside of kyiv, if i was there, building the barriers, ensuring that they have protection. digging so they can go underground when the bombing starts or get in -- picking out which building they are going to be in. picking out which building they are going to shoot from. i mean, the resistance is -- is amazing but it's so powerful. i don't believe the stories -- i mean, i studied this for over a decade and i can give you all kind of historical examples. if the ukrainians fight, kyiv can hold. >> yeah. yeah. that -- that -- that's