>> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that acted out and grabbed dawn maliciously, they want to prove the theorem that captivity makes animals crazy. and that is just false. >> all animals in captivity have a bad life. they're all destroyed. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they are ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn, and as tragic as it is and no one wants to see it happen again. can seaworld create an environment where it never happens again? yes, i absolutely believe they can. what if there were no seaworlds? i can't imagine a society with the value we put in marine mammals if those parks didn't exist. >> i'm not at all interested in having my daughter who is three and a half grow up thinking that it's normalized to have these