maple meringue cake and maple ice cream with chocolate shards. any suggestion how to attack this? >> fred: we did it once. i won the chef suggest thing for the ice cream cone. chef suggests that you eat the ice cream like that. >> martin: that's the thing. i think there's too much focusing on the food. you know? you know, like, uh, "wow, this is very intellectual and, uh, wow and blah, blah." i've done too much of those, all those shit, you know? i don't want to do that. i don't want to play game anymore. >> fred: because food is feces in waiting. [ laughter ] >> anthony: this is cnn.