he explains it in terms that the jury can understand. if they reached in and pulled their heart out they could be alive for ten or 15 seconds. that graphic example sets it where you can understand somebody can be alive that he's saying they can do because he wrote the book. he wroted the book called forensic pathology. >> he got caught a bibliography. he's testified in some of the biggest trials. trying to come back and say you're a crazy scientist, your creds are no good. you can't do that. you're looking at mark o'mara about to cross your screen. t this is the moment where they're trying to assess to get something to eat and think what about they've heard because it's a lot.