you heard his sister, terri chung in the interview, possibly kim jong-un could send a mess annual, humanitarian gesture, turning over kenneth bay to rodman. nobody else has been able to see kenneth, to see kim jong-un. i was there a year ago with eric schmitt of google. he wouldn't see us but he has a relationship with rodman. we shouldn't expect any nuclear negotiations between rodman and kim jong-un, any bilateral negotiations, but possibly he might do a favor to his friend by turning over kenneth bay and that would make the visit worthwhile. >> do you think that the administration or officials, whether we know it or not, might have had a bit of a word with him and given him a bit of an idea of what might be helpful? and even if they did or did not, it's embarrassing to have the worm, our de facto diplomat on