there's a reason why we should be concerned because it shows that the russians are incredibly sophisticated and more importantly incredibly aggressive. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about sophisticated. i understand this is being called one of the most sophisticated attacks ever but done by what seems like one of the most primitive methods right now. it's a phishing expedition. you send a hoax e-mail and get someone to open it and a whole world of hurt comes out on you. that's how people down the street get hit by viruses or identity theft. it's not supposed to happen to the white house, is it? >> right. and obviously these systems are only as safe as their weakest link. so what we think happened is it's called sphere phishing. someone pretended to be an employee in the state department and got access into the state department system and somehow that was able to get the russians --phisticate