>> i don't think you can different shat the challenges of the obama administration from its challenges in fighting isis in other fields. it's all connected. one of the reasons isis is so powerful is that you have a powerful, seductive message, which is connected to a reality or perception of reality on the ground. so, you can't divorce counterpropaganda or counternarrative from the reeld world. isis boasts its threats and all of that are nested in a reality or at least a perception of reality in the middle east. >> but this is why this office was created, to counter that perception of reality, to counter that draw online. are you saying you didn't get the support you needed to effectively take it on? >> the office was a small office. it was established before the rise of isis. it was to focus on al qaeda. no, it never had the resources it needed.