ambassador sondland spoke on the phone. the president immediately told ambassador sondland that there was no quid pro quo, but, this is very important, president zelensky would still be required to announce the investigations in order for the hold on security assistance to be lifted. and he should want to do it. in effect, this is the equivalent of saying there is no quid pro quo, no this for that, before then demanding precisely that quid pro quo. >> you know, it's striking that it was so manufactured to say there's not going to be any quid pro quo, just tell them i want this for that. but the other pieces, think of what they're asking for, carey just said, president trump wants an investigation of his main political rival. that's not all he wants. he also -- because that helps him. what he also wants is for the new president, who is impressure nabl of ukraine, to go down a