we started having difficulty getting them all into this one small steel box to be honest. that is what it was, a floating steel box. that is where the food depriving would come in. we would hold back food, and they would know if they were in the module, they would get their food. >> during the winter it would be 5:00 at night until 7:00. >> when we let them out, sometimes you would see blood and teeth rakes. >> closing the door on them, knowing he was in there for the whole night is like -- whoa, if that is true, it is not only you know, inhumane and i'll tell them so but it probably led to what i think is a psychosis that he was on a hair trigger. he would kill.