church. i mean, st. francis had a comfortable life in aziza and left it to walk barefoot and talk to the birds. this is a hugely radical saint for poverty. so, really, the whole agenda of francis was kind of set when he chose his name. >> and not only was it radical, it was gutsy, because the truth of it is, given -- and you're absolutely right, how iconic a name francis is in the catholic imagination. it evokes humility and simplicity, a love of the poor, a closeness to the people, you know, spurning ostentation and all of that. and if you are not prepared to walk that talk, then taking that name is a huge roll of the dice. >> yes. >> i mean, it was a whole program of governance in a word, but what we've seen from francis over the first year is he's walking the talk. >> he's walking the talk, and i think he's very radical in spirit. now, does that translate into radicalness in change in church teaching, for example, or in the way the church is organized or