receiving communion, whether that rule ought to be changed and whether those folks ought to be welcomed back into communion. so, this issue of what it takes to come to the table has been an issue throughout 2,000 years of catholic life and remains one today. >> absolutely. amara? >> i want to ask you, because we're talking about unity as one of the themes here. and with all the complexity and politics within the catholic church, do you think that this canonization will actually help unite the catholics within the church and around the world? >> well, i think the most immediate effect, amara, it probably has, is for, really since the election of john paul ii in 1978, there has been a strong tendency in catholic life, both among the kind of intellectual wing of the church, and even at the catholic grassroots, to sort of pit john xxiii and john paul ii against one another, as if john xxiii