that? >> please educate tom. >> first of all, the number we're talking about, the spending levels was negotiated in 2001. this is agreed upon, because i think on all of our sides, we agree that $17 trillion is just a little high debt to have. we need to start bringing spending down. so he didn't really -- >> really? >> it's been stuck at 16.7. >> the deficit has been coming down for a number of reasons. >> we have a $16.7 trillion debt right now, so yes, he's gone along with though from 2011, but beyond that it's been my way or the highway on obama care. >> but the sequester numbers, which both sides agree is terrible for policy, but it includes that, and already caved on splitting.