captivity makes them crazy. >> all whales in captivity have a bad life. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they're ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn, and as tragic as it is, no one wants to see it ever happen again. can seaworld create an environment where it never happens again? yes, i absolutely believe they can. what if there were no seaworlds? i can't imagine a society with the value we put in marine mammals if those parks didn't exist. >> i'm not at all interested in having my daughter, who is 3 1/2 grow up thinking it's normalized to have these intelligent highly evolved animals in concrete pools. i don't want her to think that's how we treat the kin that we find ourselves around on this planet. i think it's atrocious.