a member of the parliament close to poroshenko was messing around with that black ledger. >> i know you know a lot of stuff but the federal prosecutors felt pretty confident about the information with manafort. again, tom bossert who worked -- >> they didn't use the ledger. >> they didn't need it. they had their own sufficient eviden evidence. >> that's not why they didn't use it. >> it's what they said in their papers. >> in ukraine they don't believe the ledger is real. the top law enforcement officer is those who have a law and order background and a corrupt system and tend to get to the bottom. burisma scams and poroshenko regime, meddling in the u.s. election. there's going to be investigations in -- >> what meddling exactly? the dnc says it never happened,