we're all still burying the fresh and heavy grief of the last year and trying to find somewhere to put all this anger. but the patients don't stop coming and the anger doesn't stop coming. kathryn joins us now. thank you for doing what you're doing and thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> angry why? >> why not? we're a year into this and people still are making the same mistakes over and over again. and it was bad enough the first time around when it was all still new and you could at least give people the excuse of ignorance, but that excuse as long since passed and we're still fighting the same battle. >> do you have the experience where you work of people who are nurses, staff, doctors even, who don't get vaccinated? >> yes. >> how do you explain that, given all you know and see? >> i have no explanation for it honestly. i got the vaccine as soon as i could. different people have different reasons, and unfortunately