cancel your subscription, or an artist can say they're coming off of them. but i think people are somewhat wary to go after people for their political views. >> sure. no question about it. i do think there's a -- there's maybe a distinction between political views and what steve bannon was doing right before the insurrection, saying all hell is going to break loose. strap in. i mean, he was -- he was really instigating people there. but let me ask you about this. as for the role of the platforms, here's what spotify's ceo told axios last year about why he doesn't feel like they have a responsibility for what is said by podcasters. >> we have a lot of really well-paid rappers on spotify 2 that make tens of millions of dollars each year on spotify, and we don't dictate what they're putting on their songs either. >> what's the difference between, say, in rap lyrics or a podcaster pushing election lies? do you buy that excuse there from the ceo?