experience. kind of closure for us to hear what were you thinking? how did it get to this? >> i don't think it would have made a difference. it would have been nice to hear his reasoning, why he did what he did. i keep thinking about this critical decision making model that they kept trained on and kept bringing up. it's you're supposed to constantly assess the situation over and over again. and i don't think once mr. floyd was on the ground, he was not reassessing mr. floyd at all, his condition at all, what care he needed. >> i agree exactly with what lisa just said. that's what i kept referring to in my own mind was the reassessing of his actual situation at hand. >> this was about, you know, obviously the death of a man. but i'm sure you knew the whole racial aspect of it. you're very diverse and nobody was afraid to share their feelings on that? >> not at all.