>> and of course he made an indelible mark when it comes to areas around the filibuster as well, which is a very important aspect given the reluctance, shall we say, to actually change it or amend it or alter or eliminate it in any way to address voting rights. how do you feel about the legacy in terms of the filibuster and what can be done now for this very issue? >> when it comes to the filibuster, the goal is to make the senate work, to restore the senate to a functioning body. and we've seen glimpses of what that can accomplish when we have a functioning senate, we solve problems. we have seen the senate come together to respond to this pandemic, which is now stretching into year three. we've seen the senate work effectively to delivery le reli to communities and now we need protection for our democracy. i'm heartened by the conversations happening in d.c. among u.s. senators, having these conversations about what