now, i am confident they have several cooperators already. they wouldn't have this indictment without insiders and the way we know that is these encrypted communication channels like signal and proton e-mail, you can't get those records with a subpoena. the only way the government would have these actual quotes is if they had access to a person with a device in those conversations that means somebody is cooperating providing that information. now that you have these charges, the pressure is on them to cooperate on them as well. so we'll see who comes in and knocks on the government's door next and that's what could take you up the chain in another link. >> there's another oathkeeper charged today, thomas caldwell. this is him on january 6th. >> every single person in there is a traitor!