elector spots, secure meeting rooms for the fake electors to meet and to culminate it with fake certificates being sent to the national archives. is it possible laws were broken here? >> that's not only possible it's very likely. a number of the states have already declared it appears their state laws have been violated. and there's no question that that happens that the federal laws have been violated. so i think this is a massive conspiracy. it -- >> what are the consequences of that? what are the consequences? >> well, it could be very serious. we're talking serious felonies here. i've heard as many as six or seven different statutes involved in this activity. so it could be very serious felony crime we're looking at, and i think it's going to grow. this reminds me of watergate where it really started getting serious. we're in the very serious stage