now today we learn the confederate symbol is decorating his truck. but all this evidence, does it add up to hate crime? >> well, don, the evidence has been so horrific, so offensive. we know that the juror, if not one many jurors have asked the judge about counseling, about emotional psychological counseling because they've had to sit through the testimony of these prosecution witnesses and hear just the animus that these defendants had towards african americans. and yes, the prosecution has a heavy burden. they have to prove this racial animus was the reason that they chased and killed ahmaud arbery. but i think when jurors hear the kind of evidence that's been presented it's not going to be a big leap for them to conclude that it was their hatred for african americans that caused them to engage in this conduct that resulted in the death of ahmaud arbery. i don't think the prosecution is going to have a difficult time