military operation invasion is because of the stream of propaganda on tv. i maean, it is massive all day long. there are pictures of, you know, ukrainians and fascists from world war ii, ukrainians being depicted as monsters who murder people. it is all out propaganda, and so a lot of people are frightened here in russia. they believe in kind of this mirror image that russia is the one that is being threatened, is being threatened by nato. so that's one of the problems that people believe it, but there are people, you can see there were some former generals who actually spoke out before this invasion began against it, and i would say some in the intellectual, you know, educated big city community are beginning to speak out. >> oren liebermann, i want to ask you about we have this audio