be able to paint him as bernie sanders, his biggest problem is whether or not black folks are going to trust him. there is time but right now he has to be willing to do the work. >> i used to, you live there now. >> i think john fetterman's going to get crushed in these rural areas. it's a question by how much. can he keep the margins down a little bit? he's going to get destroyed there. i know he's spending time out there but that's not going to get him a lot of votes. >> what if it's mehmet oz -- >> what's that? >> talking about -- >> what's that? >> i said i forgot about oz. >> oz is kind of a wild card. if i'm a democrat, what i'll do to oz is i'll hit him on the carpet bagger issue. where have you been for 30 years, your whole life for that matter? >> i hear you. but i think mccormick is again -- the only way i can describe him is a butterfly. he morphs into different things depending on the season. but oz actually has been in our television screens for a very long period of time. you talk about from whether or not it's oprah to the breakfast club and charlamagne tha god.