them invading before and a clear show of force as a message of the united states. shortly before this show i sat down with the former chief of the nsa and the cia. general michael hayden and also a principal of the chertoff group and i asked him what this means to the u.s. and russia? >> as important as ukraine is to us, it's absolutely critical to putin and his broader, greater russian federation. secretary kerry has said some things today. he said, you know, this isn't a resemption of the cold war and this could be win/win. and that's noble and, gee, i wish it were so. but this is not win/win for vladimir putin. vladimir putin he views this as zero -- should that affect our behavior? i don't know. but we really have to appreciate that for him this is a zero sum game. he's not looking for a win/win