they chose to use open-hand tactics and sometimes even nonlethal force has a bad out come. we've seen people tazed that have unfortunately died. i mean the lesson to learn in ferguson and new york is don't resist the police and these could have been avoided. >> and it you take that argument, you can't have a conversation with them, which is what he was doing before the man came up behind him, as sonny pointed out, and put him in the chokehold. >> that is the problem here. should you resist the police? no. should you sell lucys on the street? no. but if you are black and outside, it can be a capital crime. the police did not use the path of least resistance. they came up behind him and choked him out and we all saw it