covid policy like australia, new zealand, taiwan, singapore, they're beginning to ease up. they're recognizing that omicron is going to spread like wildfire no matter what you do. what is going on in china? the government is very, very smart and competent and are they beginning to move in that direction, even in small ways? >> well, there's not enough discussion of what comes after zero covid, really, because, you know, whereas in these other countries you have these discussions in civil society and public opinion about living with covid. that's not really a sign of that in china. last summer there was one state epidemiologist who tried to say, you know, at some stage we're going to have to live with covid. what happened instead is that he was subjected to an online witch-hunt, they investigated -- they triggered an investigation into his dissertation, plagiarism inquiry. it was a witch hunt and he has