consultant to hq trivia. russ and colin had different and complementary type of skill sets. i was the founder and the ceo and we had a great time together. lots of late nights. years afterwards. those kind of experiences created camaraderie and deep relationships and friendships. colin was, i believe i am too so we can't get around that. russ had a professional relationship with, we weren't friends in the way colin and i were friends. colin was a world class engineer and you look at the way hq had accomplish and colin was one of the people in the world to do that. russ is an incredibly talented designer. >> with hq trivia colin and russ started as co-founders, eventually colin turned into the role of chief technology officer