is that correct? >> that is correct. >> and had you heard, like a firsthand account from anyone on the inside, or had you just been following news accounts? >> so i certainly was following news accounts and that's from the ukrainian side. ukrainian press. and u.s. press. >> and then -- >> and my colleagues in the interagency also were concerned about this as this had started in the march time frame, so there had been ongoing conversations. so several different stories. >> and so when ambassador sondland mentioned the investigations, you sort of had a little bit of a clue of what the issue was? >> oh, definitely. >> and then you took the photo, a very nice photo, and you went to the ward room? >> correct. >> and do you remember, i think you conceded to us that you had a hard time remembering exactly