i know. just hold on a second. it was from that spot to this spot within just an hour and a half of what had happened where he would be brought for several hours of questioning. he was afraid. he was in shock. his adrenaline was still going through his body. you guys know how fear and worry works. you sat here through jury selection all day and probably felt that just by getting asked questions for an hour. travis testified even though he didn't have to, the judge will -- will give you the law that close travis in sort of a shield of silence. you don't have to testify.