you were involved in was a hostage program? >> i was a crisis negotiator for the parent -- the umbrella of the emergency operations negotiator team. >> what did you do? >> i was crisis negotiator. >> what does that mean? >> we would go out with various subjects or a s.w.a.t. team i guess is the easiest way to describe it on warrants. we would respond to calls where there may be people in danger. >> and was your job to try and negotiate with the subject and get him to submit to being arrested? >> yes, he or she. >> was that your main job? >> no, i was always a patrol officer. >> no, i mean, as far as a hostage negotiator, that's what you did? >> yes, i was a crisis negotiator. >> and what other programs were you in? >> i was on the law enforcement memorial association honor guard. >> and what is that?