discipline people who don't comply with their requests. that could be docking pay or referring them to the ethics committee. we'll have to see what they do this week. >> a good investigation is like good reporting. yes, you go after the big names, so they want to talk to vice president pence at the time, they want to talk to the former chief of staff mark meadows, rudy giuliani. the worker bees know a lot. andrew surabi, most americans don't know his name. he's a donald trump jr. advisor. if you cover congress or you cover the white house, again, you want the big names. but sometimes the schedulers and the speechwriters and the staff members who are in the room and see all the paper, they can give you a lot of information, too. >> that's right, john, just because they're not household names doesn't mean they don't have key information. but what we have seen is that a lot of folks do not want to comply or feel as though this investigation is asking financial information that just