another nation was making the same allegations, the u.s. wouldn't hand over the information either. >> well, they might give the access to the simulator. that's all i think. clearly they've got -- i just want -- our satellite window is going down with glenn schoen. i justify wanted to say goodbye and thank you to glenn schoen, our expert who lent a wonderful piece of insight to the story. carry on. >> i want to go back to the psyche of the pilots. first of all, you have an a-type, as you said. they can be an -- i always say, you want a little secret? the most difficult people to interview as a television presenter in the world are surgeons and pilots. >> why? >> because they have got people's lives in their hands on a daily basis. and they don't care, really, about necessarily how they will answer the question. they'll give you an honest, straightforward answer. and they are difficult. they can be truck you lent sometimes, they can be awkward to interview. here's the point. they are amongst the most highly