industry. you've got major companies out there that are working with financial institutions, working with private companies. the targets, the ebays, googles, all of that to make sure that their systems are safe and secure. even a couple of weeks ago, the head of the nsa, admiral mike rogers said there was no doubt that there was an attack. there was no question if there would be one that targeted infrastructure. it was a matter of when. chris, you've been looking into this as well and the scope of penetration is actually pretty remarkable in terms of how many different countries and rogue individuals are inside u.s. systems. what have you learned? >> deb, there were 34,000 cyberincidents in 2010. fast forward to 2013 and that number jumped 35% to 46,000. cyberspy is happening at a clip we've never seen before,