defense make more points? >> well, here's what i think the strength was. you've got don west doing this cross-examination, right, he's a seasoned lawyer, and this is a 19-year-old girl who is obviously not as educated as he is and he's coming across as a grumpy old man trying to beat her up and i think he went overboard. he took it too far especially when he humiliates her with the letter that she can't read, she can't read cursive. i think he came across as being a grumpy old man who just went too far in his attempt to try to destroy her credibility. i think he hurt himself and his own case. >> even though it's not about him for the jury they'll judge him in assessing her so that's where vinnie's point comes in. danny, on the substance of it, getting rachel jeantel to say i don't know whether or not it was trayvon martin who hit first or not. i can't tell. how big is that for the defense?