can't get much further until they know what happened to the plane and where the plane is. because the plane will give up its own secrets. >> if they can find the transponder, the black box and -- >> oh, they will. they will. it's not if. it's not if. it is not an if, it's a when. and the reason it's become have to nor where to go. >> fall out the sky at the safest part of fleiss in the crews. >> oh, they will. >> you're not nearly as certain as i'm when i'm asking richard about. we don't know what happened here. terrorism is in the mix because of the randomness and because of the silence from the plane about the activities mostly, not because of what we've learned about it. if we were going to go down that road and we haven't heard from a