within their group of supporters. they have no political relevance any more. but they are a military threat both in pakistan and in afghanistan. so this is what is happening. and the united states has been involved. it's been heavily involved with drone strikes and other attempts to help pakistan. it's been heavily involved. trying to force pakistan to act with one voice. the civilian elected government. the powerful military, the isi, which is the intelligence service, to actually go after these jihadis. i spoke to the defense minister, who is desperately grieving, he was on his way, rushing back from london to pakistan last night. he told me this will not deter us, we will continue. tragically he said to us, the lighter and the smaller the coffin, the heavier it is for to us carry. it's a metaphor, but he really meant that this burden is now close to overwhelming pakistan. >> look, it is difficult to imagine something that could have been done that would have been worse. both in its goal and its death