infraction? say somebody gets caught using p.e.d.s in the preseason or somebody punches somebody in the face during practice. don't you have a precedent? if you have four games for the balls, if you grab me and toss me a beating in practice now what? they've set a bar, haven't they? >> it's a great question. i think with the p.e.d.s, you're talking drug policy when you're talking playing rules and penalties, that's different than what this was. this was a hit against the nfl's policy on integrity of the game and enforcement of competitive rule. >> so you're saying don't get distracted by the balls, this is about how they handled the situation that's being punished. >> that's exactly right. and they were clear that although they can't determine how much this would effect the outcome of a game it is a rule for a specific reason that it provides a competitive advantage. and i know that it says $25,000 is the fine for deflated footballs, but that's the minimum. it says at least a minimum of