here's a guy who's running for president. his whole reason for being electable, right, is that he's experienced, he's steady he's supposed to be the mature you know smart guy in the field. but he's making all these missteps. >> how is that a misstep? >> it was a misstep because if you believe what ben says he got asked a very clear question by megyn kelly and now a very clear answer he's having to clarify. there are all kinds of things. that speech he gave at liberty last weekend he looked very tentative. i mean he just does not look like someone who's -- >> obviously he's not going for you as a voter. i didn't think he looked tentative at all. and i think what he was talking about when he was talking about foreign policy his brother the more we've seen of isis and islamic extremism and fall of iraq and many important areas, george bush's foreign policy to many conservatives is starting to look like he knew a lot more than what people gave him credit