drill down and try to figure out how to manage. because in the end it's conditions to be managed, not problems to be resolved. >> okay. so is the getting rid of or destroying isis a core american interest? >> it is. the reason the president engaged isn't because it's interested in another trillion dollar -- he got into it because isis started beheading americans, you had senior officials worrying about an imminent isis attack. what he's doing seems to me in iraq is enhanced counterterrorism. limited special forces air power, good intelligence, reliance on local allies. we're not going to see thousands upon thousands of american boots on the ground. maybe this will preempt and contain isis from attacking the united states. but under the circumstances it's about the best the president can offer. >> so you think just hold here, don't do anymore with fighting isis. because people like senator john mccain, senator lindsey graham have suggested we actually need boots on the ground to effectively fight isis. >> i mean there are things you could do.