does he try to poke a hole in ted cruz or does donald trump play it safe like he has the last few debates? >> when we're talking about the candidates, we also have the party at play here about what they wanted to happen. we always refer to the big report, the after-action report in 2012. we have to reach out more, be ethnically sensitive. now a guy is rocketing to the top of the polls by saying ban muslims. where does that leave you in the gop? >> in really bad shape. there's a time for choosing and a cross roads. there's one path that would have, let's say, for example, a president marco rubio and speaker of the house paul ryan. that's an optimistic conservative, republican party. >> young. >> young, diverse. that's a conservatism that can win the 21st century. there's another path. i think that path leads toward destruction. that is donald trump. that path actually in the short term could pay big dividends but i think in the long term, the mathematics don't add up. >> what do you say to all the people backing him? r 9% of gop voters, 38% of