enforcement has a lot of time. >> all right. now, i know that they're in a remote area. i know they're not threatening the general populous, not destroying buildings or looting or anything like that. you know where i'm headed with this. there is criticism if this was a bunch of brown skinned people with guns that had taken over a piece of property there would have been a very response from authorities. is that fair? >> i think it's a fair criticism at least in terms of perception. i want to be clear here, even though i'm recommending patience, time, don't bring this to a conflict, i do view these men as domestic terrorists. they satisfy almost -- they satisfy the legal definition. they are using a force or the threat of force. they are depriving others of the benefit of a federal right, that is visiting the site, closing down school districts. i think they are, you know, a threat.